• Out of logons?

    From Al@VERT to All on Thu Jan 19 00:10:32 2023
    Hello All,

    I have just setup a new Synchronet BBS and make an initial setup.

    I logged on for the first time and was going through the new user questions/setup. Shortly after logging in I saw message something like times up and I was logged off. I never got to the create guest account setup question.

    Now when I login and enter my name and it says "Times up.", and logs me out. It doesn't ask for my password. I see this on the sbbs terminal server screen..

    1/18 23:52:44 term 0053 Telnet connection accepted from: 127.0.0.1 port 59396 1/18 23:52:44 term 0053 Telnet Hostname: irondust.home [127.0.0.1] 1/18 23:52:44 term Node 1 socket 53 attached to local interface 127.0.0.1 port 23
    1/18 23:52:44 term Node 1 11:52p Wed Jan 18 2023 Node 1
    1/18 23:52:44 term Node 1 Telnet irondust.home [127.0.0.1] 1/18 23:52:45 term Node 1 Telnet Speed: 38400 bps 1/18 23:52:45 term Node 1 terminal type: 80x30 LINUX 1/18 23:52:47 term Node 1 <Al> Ran out of time 1/18 23:52:48 term Node 1 <Al> (0001) Al Out of logons
    1/18 23:52:48 term Node 1 <Al> logout initiated 1/18 23:52:48 term Node 1 thread terminated (0 node threads remain, 6 clients served)

    It says I am out of logons, what does that mean and what do I need to change?

    Any help appreciated. :)

    This is a new install from git of SBBS 3.20.

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  • From Al@VERT to All on Thu Jan 19 01:25:23 2023
    Hello All,

    It says I am out of logons, what does that mean and what do I need to change?

    Any help appreciated. :)

    This is a new install from git of SBBS 3.20.

    I looked at my account in uedit and my security level was 0, so it set it to 99 and was able to log in briefly before running out of time.

    I also created a second regular user account with the same results. The security level gets set to 0 and the password is blank.

    I used "jsexec makeguest" to create a guest account. I can log in as guest and browse around the BBS but the sysop and regular user accounts are not usable.

    I'm not sure why that is but that is what I discovered so far.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Al on Thu Jan 19 09:09:52 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to All on Thu Jan 19 2023 01:25 am

    Hello All,

    It says I am out of logons, what does that mean and what do I need to change?

    Any help appreciated. :)

    This is a new install from git of SBBS 3.20.

    I looked at my account in uedit and my security level was 0, so it set it to 99 and was able to log in briefly before running out of time.

    I also created a second regular user account with the same results. The security level gets set to 0 and the password is blank.

    I used "jsexec makeguest" to create a guest account. I can log in as guest and browse around the BBS but the sysop and regular user accounts are not usable.

    I'm not sure why that is but that is what I discovered so far.


    something is screwed up. so just go into scfg in your security levels and change the time per day

    https://i.imgur.com/kMbXFaj.png

    https://i.imgur.com/rRWyFg2.png
    ^^ these are decent settings probably, but do what you want.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Al on Thu Jan 19 08:34:52 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to All on Thu Jan 19 2023 12:10 am

    Hello All,

    I have just setup a new Synchronet BBS and make an initial setup.

    I logged on for the first time and was going through the new user questions/setup. Shortly after logging in I saw message something like times up and I was logged off. I never got to the create guest account setup question.

    Now when I login and enter my name and it says "Times up.", and logs me out. It doesn't ask for my password. I see this on the sbbs terminal server screen..

    1/18 23:52:44 term 0053 Telnet connection accepted from: 127.0.0.1 port 59396 1/18 23:52:44 term 0053 Telnet Hostname: irondust.home [127.0.0.1] 1/18 23:52:44 term Node 1 socket 53 attached to local interface 127.0.0.1 port 23 1/18 23:52:44 term Node 1 11:52p Wed Jan 18 2023 Node
    1
    1/18 23:52:44 term Node 1 Telnet irondust.home [127.0.0.1] 1/18 23:52:45 term Node 1 Telnet Speed: 38400 bps 1/18 23:52:45 term Node 1 terminal type: 80x30 LINUX 1/18 23:52:47 term Node 1 <Al> Ran out of time 1/18 23:52:48 term Node 1
    <Al> (0001) Al Out of logons
    1/18 23:52:48 term Node 1 <Al> logout initiated 1/18 23:52:48 term Node 1 thread terminated (0 node threads remain, 6 clients served)

    It says I am out of logons, what does that mean and what do I need to change?

    Is this user #1? The first user created is normally given sysop access (e.g. security level 99, all flags, etc). How did you create this user account?
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Al on Thu Jan 19 08:35:47 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to All on Thu Jan 19 2023 01:25 am

    Hello All,

    It says I am out of logons, what does that mean and what do I need to change?

    Any help appreciated. :)

    This is a new install from git of SBBS 3.20.

    I looked at my account in uedit and my security level was 0, so it set it to 99 and was able to log in briefly before running out of time.

    I also created a second regular user account with the same results. The security level gets set to 0 and the password is blank.

    How did you create the second regular user account? The normal methods (e.g. logging in as "new") will create a new user account with the values you have configured in SCFG->System->New User Values. Check those values.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Thu Jan 19 11:18:59 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Thu Jan 19 2023 08:35 am


    How did you create the second regular user account? The normal methods (e.g. logging in as "new") will create a new user account with the values you have configured in SCFG->System->New User Values. Check those values.

    maybe he made them in the user editor.
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  • From Al@VERT to Digital Man on Thu Jan 19 10:19:12 2023
    I also created a second regular user account with the same results. The
    security level gets set to 0 and the password is blank.

    How did you create the second regular user account? The normal methods (e.g. logging in as "new") will create a new user account with the values you have configured in SCFG->System->New User Values. Check those values.

    Both of these accounts were created by telneting in. I used the makeguest.js to create the guest account since I was logged out the first time before the "make guest" question was asked.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Al on Thu Jan 19 17:18:52 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to Digital Man on Thu Jan 19 2023 10:19 am

    I also created a second regular user account with the same results. The >> security level gets set to 0 and the password is blank.

    How did you create the second regular user account? The normal methods (e.g. logging in as "new") will create a new user account with the values you have configured in SCFG->System->New User Values. Check those values.

    Both of these accounts were created by telneting in.

    Did you check your "New User Values" in SCFG?

    I used the makeguest.js
    to create the guest account since I was logged out the first time before the "make guest" question was asked.

    Okay. I don't think there's an issue with your Guest account.
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  • From Al@VERT to Digital Man on Thu Jan 19 19:32:05 2023
    Hello Digital,

    Both of these accounts were created by telneting in.

    Did you check your "New User Values" in SCFG?

    Yes, they are untouched from the defaults and are what I would expect them to be.

    I used the makeguest.js
    to create the guest account since I was logged out the first time
    before the "make guest" question was asked.

    Okay. I don't think there's an issue with your Guest account.

    Yes, the guest account is OK.

    This is not an upgrade from 3.19. I just grabbed the source with git so it is purely 3.20. Would that make a difference?

    The security level for the sysop and regular user shows as 0 in uedit and the password field is blank. If I set the security level and password in uedit I can briefly login but soon after I get logged off be cause "times up". After that looking in uedit again the security level shows 0 and the passord field is blank again.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Al on Thu Jan 19 22:15:58 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to Digital Man on Thu Jan 19 2023 07:32 pm

    Hello Digital,

    Both of these accounts were created by telneting in.

    Did you check your "New User Values" in SCFG?

    Yes, they are untouched from the defaults and are what I would expect them to be.

    I used the makeguest.js
    to create the guest account since I was logged out the first time
    before the "make guest" question was asked.

    Okay. I don't think there's an issue with your Guest account.

    Yes, the guest account is OK.

    This is not an upgrade from 3.19. I just grabbed the source with git so it is purely 3.20. Would that make a difference?

    The security level for the sysop and regular user shows as 0 in uedit and the password field is blank. If I set the security level and password in uedit I can briefly login but soon after I get logged off be cause "times up". After that looking in uedit again the security level shows 0 and the passord field is blank again.

    Ttyl :-),

    just do what i said and it'll be fine.
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  • From Al@VERT to MRO on Thu Jan 19 20:54:28 2023
    The security level for the sysop and regular user shows as 0 in uedit and
    the password field is blank. If I set the security level and password in
    uedit I can briefly login but soon after I get logged off be cause "times
    up". After that looking in uedit again the security level shows 0 and the
    passord field is blank again.

    just do what i said and it'll be fine.

    The time per day is set to default, 240 minites if I remember right.

    The security levels drop to 0 and the password field blanks after attempting to login for some reason I don't know.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Al on Thu Jan 19 22:01:35 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to Digital Man on Thu Jan 19 2023 07:32 pm

    Hello Digital,

    Both of these accounts were created by telneting in.

    Did you check your "New User Values" in SCFG?

    Yes, they are untouched from the defaults and are what I would expect them to be.

    Okay, good.

    I used the makeguest.js
    to create the guest account since I was logged out the first time
    before the "make guest" question was asked.

    Okay. I don't think there's an issue with your Guest account.

    Yes, the guest account is OK.

    This is not an upgrade from 3.19. I just grabbed the source with git so it is purely 3.20. Would that make a difference?

    Possibly, but I couldn't guess/say *why* it makes a difference yet.

    The security level for the sysop and regular user shows as 0 in uedit and the password field is blank. If I set the security level and password in uedit I can briefly login but soon after I get logged off be cause "times up". After that looking in uedit again the security level shows 0 and the passord field is blank again.

    Maybe the user account is expiring? The log would normally indicate that. If New User Values->Expiration Days is set to 0, then a new user account should not expire ever. Do you have this set to a non-zero value?
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  • From Al@VERT to Digital Man on Thu Jan 19 22:32:18 2023
    Hello Digital,

    The security level for the sysop and regular user shows as 0 in
    uedit and the password field is blank. If I set the security level
    and password in uedit I can briefly login but soon after I get
    logged off be cause "times up". After that looking in uedit again
    the security level shows 0 and the passord field is blank again.

    Maybe the user account is expiring? The log would normally indicate
    that. If New User Values->Expiration Days is set to 0, then a new user account should not expire ever. Do you have this set to a non-zero
    value?

    Yes, Expiration days are set to 0. I don't see any message about an account expiring. I just see this after I enter my login name.

    Enter User Name or Number or 'New' or 'Guest'
    Login: Al
    Logging on to The Rusty MailBox as Al

    Time's up.
    Connection closed by foreign host.

    And on the terminal server screen I see this..

    1/19 22:34:34 term 0053 Telnet connection accepted from: 127.0.0.1 port 40832 1/19 22:34:34 term 0053 Telnet Hostname: irondust.home [127.0.0.1]
    1/19 22:34:34 term Node 1 Loading configuration files from /sbbs/ctrl
    1/19 22:34:34 term Node 1 socket 53 attached to local interface 127.0.0.1 port 23
    1/19 22:34:34 term Node 1 10:34p Thu Jan 19 2023 Node 1
    1/19 22:34:34 term Node 1 Telnet irondust.home [127.0.0.1]
    1/19 22:34:35 term Node 1 Telnet Speed: 38400 bps
    1/19 22:34:35 term Node 1 terminal type: 80x30 LINUX
    1/19 22:34:37 term Node 1 <Al> Ran out of time
    1/19 22:34:38 term Node 1 <Al> (0001) Al Out of logons 1/19 22:34:38 term Node 1 <Al> logout initiated
    1/19 22:34:39 term Node 1 thread terminated (0 node threads remain, 1 clients served)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Al on Fri Jan 20 12:03:50 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to MRO on Thu Jan 19 2023 08:54 pm


    just do what i said and it'll be fine.

    The time per day is set to default, 240 minites if I remember right.

    The security levels drop to 0 and the password field blanks after attempting to login for some reason I don't know.



    just do what i said and it'll be fine.
    ^^^^
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Al on Fri Jan 20 12:06:47 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to Digital Man on Thu Jan 19 2023 10:32 pm

    1/19 22:34:37 term Node 1 <Al> Ran out of time
    1/19 22:34:38 term Node 1 <Al> (0001) Al Out of logons 1/19 22:34:38 term Node 1 <Al> logout initiated
    1/19 22:34:39 term Node 1 thread terminated (0 node threads remain, 1 clients served)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al


    go into the user editor and give yourself time. check your sl , credits, and minutes. make sure scfg isnt open. open scfg and make sure your new user values are decent. create a new user via telnet to test it.
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  • From Al@VERT to MRO on Fri Jan 20 15:21:13 2023
    Hello MRO,

    go into the user editor and give yourself time. check your sl ,
    credits, and minutes. make sure scfg isnt open. open scfg and make
    sure your new user values are decent. create a new user via telnet
    to test it.

    That is what I have done. After logging in I am logged off and looking at my (or another) account in uedit the security level, password and time fields are blank.

    I can update those fields in uedit and then log in again briefly before being logged out because "Time's up."

    I can't seem to get passed this.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Al on Fri Jan 20 15:47:20 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to Digital Man on Thu Jan 19 2023 10:32 pm

    Hello Digital,

    The security level for the sysop and regular user shows as 0 in
    uedit and the password field is blank. If I set the security level
    and password in uedit I can briefly login but soon after I get
    logged off be cause "times up". After that looking in uedit again
    the security level shows 0 and the passord field is blank again.

    Maybe the user account is expiring? The log would normally indicate that. If New User Values->Expiration Days is set to 0, then a new user account should not expire ever. Do you have this set to a non-zero value?

    Yes, Expiration days are set to 0. I don't see any message about an account expiring. I just see this after I enter my login name.

    Enter User Name or Number or 'New' or 'Guest'
    Login: Al
    Logging on to The Rusty MailBox as Al

    Time's up.
    Connection closed by foreign host.

    And on the terminal server screen I see this..

    1/19 22:34:34 term 0053 Telnet connection accepted from: 127.0.0.1 port 40832 1/19 22:34:34 term 0053 Telnet Hostname: irondust.home [127.0.0.1] 1/19 22:34:34 term Node 1 Loading configuration files from /sbbs/ctrl
    1/19 22:34:34 term Node 1 socket 53 attached to local interface 127.0.0.1 port 23
    1/19 22:34:34 term Node 1 10:34p Thu Jan 19 2023 Node 1
    1/19 22:34:34 term Node 1 Telnet irondust.home [127.0.0.1]
    1/19 22:34:35 term Node 1 Telnet Speed: 38400 bps
    1/19 22:34:35 term Node 1 terminal type: 80x30 LINUX
    1/19 22:34:37 term Node 1 <Al> Ran out of time
    1/19 22:34:38 term Node 1 <Al> (0001) Al Out of logons 1/19 22:34:38 term Node 1 <Al> logout initiated
    1/19 22:34:39 term Node 1 thread terminated (0 node threads remain, 1 clients served)

    If the user's security level was already 0 at this time, that would be expected.

    If you use a user editor to set the user's level correctly (e.g. 99 for the sysop), and then login, do you see anything different in the terminal server log output? Which user editor are you using to set the security level?
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Al on Fri Jan 20 15:55:49 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to MRO on Fri Jan 20 2023 03:21 pm

    Hello MRO,

    go into the user editor and give yourself time. check your sl , credits, and minutes. make sure scfg isnt open. open scfg and make sure your new user values are decent. create a new user via telnet
    to test it.

    That is what I have done. After logging in I am logged off and looking at my (or another) account in uedit the security level, password and time fields are blank.

    If you can't login, how are you able to run uedit?

    I can update those fields in uedit and then log in again briefly before being logged out because "Time's up."

    I can't seem to get passed this.

    I'm committed to helping you find the solution too as it's very likely a bug introduced in v3.20, but only manifesting on your system/configuration for some reason.

    The data/user/user.tab file is plain text and if you compare before/after logging in or editing with a user editor, that may be very helpful in root-causing the issue.
    --
    digital man (rob)

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Al on Fri Jan 20 17:54:12 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to MRO on Fri Jan 20 2023 03:21 pm

    Hello MRO,

    go into the user editor and give yourself time. check your sl , credits, and minutes. make sure scfg isnt open. open scfg and make sure your new user values are decent. create a new user via telnet
    to test it.

    That is what I have done. After logging in I am logged off and looking at

    my
    (or another) account in uedit the security level, password and time fields are blank.

    I can update those fields in uedit and then log in again briefly before being logged out because "Time's up."

    I can't seem to get passed this.


    wow something is seriously screwed up then.
    if you want i can teamviewer you while you watch.
    the session key only works once.

    i sent a msg to sysop on trmb.ca:2030


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Al on Fri Jan 20 18:14:16 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: MRO to Al on Fri Jan 20 2023 05:54 pm

    being logged out because "Time's up."

    I can't seem to get passed this.


    wow something is seriously screwed up then.
    if you want i can teamviewer you while you watch.
    the session key only works once.

    i sent a msg to sysop on trmb.ca:2030

    or you can get an irc client and go to irc.synchro.net and go to
    the channel synchronet.

    you can use a web client. make sure you wait there.
    it's like an answering machine, not instant gratification.

    https://mibbit.com/

    use server irc.synchro.net
    channel #synchronet
    and give yourself a decent nick
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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Digital Man on Fri Jan 20 16:36:22 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Thu Jan 19 2023 10:01 pm

    This is not an upgrade from 3.19. I just grabbed the source with git so it is purely 3.20. Would that make a difference?

    Possibly, but I couldn't guess/say *why* it makes a difference yet.

    I removed write permissions to the user.tab file and I am able to log on now.

    That's not a solution of course, SBBS needs to write that file for a number of reasons. I'm going to log off and put those write permissions back but it seems that there is something wrong in what SBBS is writting to that file.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Digital Man on Fri Jan 20 16:40:16 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Fri Jan 20 2023 03:47 pm

    If you use a user editor to set the user's level correctly (e.g. 99 for the sysop), and then login, do you see anything different in the terminal server log output? Which user editor are you using to set the security level?

    Yes, if I set the security level to 99 and set the password I can log in briefly but am logged off after a few seconds. I just see "Time's up." and then I am disconnected.

    I am using "exec/uedit" from the /sbbs directory.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Digital Man on Fri Jan 20 16:45:42 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Fri Jan 20 2023 03:55 pm

    If you can't login, how are you able to run uedit?

    I run exec/uedit from the /sbbs directory.

    I can't seem to get passed this.

    I'm committed to helping you find the solution too as it's very likely a bug introduced in v3.20, but only manifesting on your system/configuration for some reason.

    I appreciate it.

    The data/user/user.tab file is plain text and if you compare before/after logging in or editing with a user editor, that may be very helpful in root-causing the issue.

    The issue seems to be that the user.tab file is missing the security level, minutes, and password info. Possibly others, I am not sure.

    I can enter those values with uedit but they go missing shortly after login.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Al on Fri Jan 20 21:14:41 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to Digital Man on Fri Jan 20 2023 04:40 pm

    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Fri Jan 20 2023 03:47 pm

    If you use a user editor to set the user's level correctly (e.g. 99 for the sysop), and then login, do you see anything different in the terminal server log output? Which user editor are you using to set the security level?

    Yes, if I set the security level to 99 and set the password I can log in briefly but am logged off after a few seconds. I just see "Time's up." and then I am disconnected.

    I am using "exec/uedit" from the /sbbs directory.


    okay i didnt know you were using a linux version of synchronet.
    did you say that in the beginning and i didnt catch that?

    you should reset all your permissions and take ownership.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Al on Fri Jan 20 21:03:22 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to Digital Man on Fri Jan 20 2023 04:45 pm

    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Fri Jan 20 2023 03:55 pm

    If you can't login, how are you able to run uedit?

    I run exec/uedit from the /sbbs directory.

    I can't seem to get passed this.

    I'm committed to helping you find the solution too as it's very likely a bug introduced in v3.20, but only manifesting on your system/configuration for some reason.

    I appreciate it.

    The data/user/user.tab file is plain text and if you compare before/after logging in or editing with a user editor, that may be very helpful in root-causing the issue.

    The issue seems to be that the user.tab file is missing the security level, minutes, and password info. Possibly others, I am not sure.

    I can enter those values with uedit but they go missing shortly after login.

    Can you diff the files or provide them to me as "before" and "after" for comparison? This might be me the clue I need to know what's happening to it.
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  • From Al@VERT to Digital Man on Fri Jan 20 23:16:33 2023
    Hello Digital,

    Can you diff the files or provide them to me as "before" and "after"
    for comparison? This might be me the clue I need to know what's
    happening to it.

    Sorry, I don't have a diff but if you grab..

    http://trmb.ca/usertab.zip

    It contains user.tab.orig as sbbs saves it, and user.tab.uedit as uedit saves it after I have added level 99, 500 minutes, all the exemptions and the password.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Al on Sat Jan 21 01:06:47 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to Digital Man on Fri Jan 20 2023 11:16 pm

    Hello Digital,

    Can you diff the files or provide them to me as "before" and "after" for comparison? This might be me the clue I need to know what's happening to it.

    Sorry, I don't have a diff but if you grab..

    http://trmb.ca/usertab.zip

    Hopefully there's not a password in there that you wanted to keep secret. :-)

    It contains user.tab.orig as sbbs saves it, and user.tab.uedit as uedit saves it after I have added level 99, 500 minutes, all
    the
    exemptions and the password.

    I installed a fresh v3.20a on a new Linux system and did not encounter this issue:

    After creating the first user account by logging in as "new":

    $ cat user.tab
    1 Test Man Rob Swindell Test Man 127.0.0.1 localhost me Norco, Ca 19691231 M Telnet 80026916 10b 0 0 0 fseditor default zip Z 20230121T085528Z 20230121T085528Z 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 BLARF 20230121T085528Z 99 ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ 10485760 0 0 0

    and then after logging off the user, the same:

    $ cat user.tab
    1 Test Man Rob Swindell Test Man 127.0.0.1 localhost me Norco, Ca 19691231 M Telnet 80026916 10b 0 0 0 fseditor default zip Z 20230121T085528Z 20230121T085528Z 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 BLARF 20230121T085528Z 99 ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ 10485760 0 0 0

    There might be something unique to your ctrl/main.ini file that's triggering this issue.

    Maybe try deleting your data/user/* files and logging on as new again and immediately save a copy of the created user.tab file (as soon as its created during the new user process) and share that with me.

    Thanks,
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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to MRO on Sat Jan 21 04:00:05 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: MRO to Al on Fri Jan 20 2023 09:14 pm

    I am using "exec/uedit" from the /sbbs directory.

    okay i didnt know you were using a linux version of synchronet.
    did you say that in the beginning and i didnt catch that?

    No, I didn't mention windows or linux.

    you should reset all your permissions and take ownership.

    I do have ownership. I just removed write permissions, even for myself but I have reset that now.

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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Digital Man on Sat Jan 21 04:09:25 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Sat Jan 21 2023 01:06 am

    I installed a fresh v3.20a on a new Linux system and did not encounter this issue:

    Sorry DM, I didn't mean to send you on one of my rodeo's.

    Maybe try deleting your data/user/* files and logging on as new again and immediately save a copy of the created user.tab file (as soon as its created during the new user process) and share that with me.

    I am not sure why but after deleting data/user/* and creating a new account things are working normally. Maybe I didn't have enough of the initial setup done when I first logged in.

    The new user.tab looks a fair bit different, it is here if you'd like to look.

    http://trmb.ca/newusertab.zip

    Thank you for you help.


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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Al on Sat Jan 21 11:22:55 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to Digital Man on Sat Jan 21 2023 04:09 am

    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Sat Jan 21 2023 01:06 am

    I installed a fresh v3.20a on a new Linux system and did not encounter
    this
    issue:
    Sorry DM, I didn't mean to send you on one of my rodeo's.

    No apology necessary, the system was doing something unexpected (by both you and I), so I appreciate being made aware of it. Unfortunately, we didn't really get to the bottom of it.

    Maybe try deleting your data/user/* files and logging on as new again and immediately save a copy of the created user.tab file (as soon as its created during the new user process) and share that with me.

    I am not sure why but after deleting data/user/* and creating a new account things are working normally. Maybe I didn't have enough of the initial setup done when I first logged in.

    The new user.tab looks a fair bit different, it is here if you'd like to look.

    http://trmb.ca/newusertab.zip

    Yeah, it looks normal now. I wonder if you maybe you had run 'jsexec update' or 'upgrade_to_v320' as part of your installation? That's not a normal step in installation and could maybe have been an element of creating this scenario.
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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Digital Man on Sat Jan 21 15:37:18 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Sat Jan 21 2023 11:22 am

    http://trmb.ca/newusertab.zip

    Yeah, it looks normal now. I wonder if you maybe you had run 'jsexec update' or 'upgrade_to_v320' as part of your installation? That's not a normal step in installation and could maybe have been an element of creating this scenario.

    I haven't run 'upgrade_to_v320' but I did run 'jsexec update'. That was some hours (maybe 6-24) after the install and initial setup. The update ran successfully but didn't report doing anything.

    I had a very light initial setup done, my name and BBS name but not much else. I didn't have my message options or BBSID set at the time when I first logged in.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Al on Sat Jan 21 16:12:35 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to Digital Man on Sat Jan 21 2023 03:37 pm

    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Sat Jan 21 2023 11:22 am

    http://trmb.ca/newusertab.zip

    Yeah, it looks normal now. I wonder if you maybe you had run 'jsexec update' or 'upgrade_to_v320' as part of your installation? That's not a normal step in installation and could maybe have been an element of creating this scenario.

    I haven't run 'upgrade_to_v320' but I did run 'jsexec update'. That was some hours (maybe 6-24) after the install and initial setup. The update ran successfully but didn't report doing anything.

    If you hadn't yet created any users, that might just be the key-clue I needed.

    I had a very light initial setup done, my name and BBS name but not much else. I didn't have my message options or BBSID set at the time when I first logged in.

    Cool, with that info, I'll see if I can reproduce the symptom.
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  • From Al@VERT to Digital Man on Sat Jan 21 18:41:19 2023
    Hello Digital,

    If you hadn't yet created any users, that might just be the key-clue I needed.

    No, just my own sysop account and guest.

    I had a very light initial setup done, my name and BBS name but not
    much else. I didn't have my message options or BBSID set at the
    time when I first logged in.

    Cool, with that info, I'll see if I can reproduce the symptom.

    I have changed some of my default login options and am now getting the "Times up." message again.

    1. I changed my editor to Syledit.

    2. I disabled the spinning pause prompt.

    3. I changed the default mail scan to search for new personal messages instead of a new mail scan.

    4. I changed the default transfer protocol. I hit "q" at that prompt so there is no default protocol. I do that so I can choose zmodem when I am remote and local copy when I am local.

    I think one of those changes may have caused the issue.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Al on Sat Jan 21 19:17:44 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to Digital Man on Sat Jan 21 2023 06:41 pm

    Hello Digital,

    If you hadn't yet created any users, that might just be the key-clue I needed.

    No, just my own sysop account and guest.

    Those are the user accounts to which I was inquiring. Anyway, I experimented with running 'jsexec update' (which runs upgrade_to_v320 when there's no user.tab file) and did not reproduce your issue as a result, so that doesn't appear to be a factor here.

    I had a very light initial setup done, my name and BBS name but not
    much else. I didn't have my message options or BBSID set at the
    time when I first logged in.

    Cool, with that info, I'll see if I can reproduce the symptom.

    I have changed some of my default login options and am now getting the "Times up." message again.

    1. I changed my editor to Syledit.

    2. I disabled the spinning pause prompt.

    3. I changed the default mail scan to search for new personal messages instead of a new mail scan.

    4. I changed the default transfer protocol. I hit "q" at that prompt so there is no default protocol. I do that so I can choose
    zmodem when I am remote and local copy when I am local.

    I think one of those changes may have caused the issue.

    What method did you use to make those changes to your user settings?
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Al on Sat Jan 21 19:22:34 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Sat Jan 21 2023 07:17 pm

    4. I changed the default transfer protocol. I hit "q" at that prompt so there is no default protocol. I do that so I can
    choose
    zmodem when I am remote and local copy when I am local.

    I think one of those changes may have caused the issue.

    Okay, good news: I was able to reproduce the problem by changing the default download protocol. Should be an easy fix.

    Thank you!
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  • From Al@VERT to Digital Man on Sat Jan 21 19:26:31 2023
    Hello Digital,

    I think one of those changes may have caused the issue.

    What method did you use to make those changes to your user settings?

    I was logged in with telnet using plain old telnet, "telnet localhost". That's the way I access the BBS if I am local.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Al on Sat Jan 21 19:34:48 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Al to Digital Man on Sat Jan 21 2023 07:26 pm

    Hello Digital,

    I think one of those changes may have caused the issue.

    What method did you use to make those changes to your user settings?

    I was logged in with telnet using plain old telnet, "telnet localhost". That's the way I access the BBS if I am local.

    What I was asking was were you using a user editor (e.g. ;uedit sysop command) or the just the user menu option or maybe a sysop user editor utilty (e.g. exec/uedit) to change those settings. But no matter, I discovered that I could reproduce it with the default user config menu option, so fix forthcoming.

    Thanks for your patience and bug report (for ignoring the noise from others offering their unhelpful input).
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Sat Jan 21 21:45:17 2023
    Re: Out of logons?
    By: Digital Man to Al on Sat Jan 21 2023 07:34 pm

    Thanks for your patience and bug report (for ignoring the noise from others offering their unhelpful input).

    sorry for the noise!
    i was just trying to be helpful!

    I just said the few things I would do to trouble shoot to start out.
    then i said he should try #synchronet on your irc network.

    nobody died.


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